WHITE AND NEGRO CLASH AT PARLEY Bryn Mawr and Haverford Hear Debate on Rights By M. S. HANDLER Special to The New York Times BRYN MAWR, Pa., Feb. 8— A dramatic public confrontation of segregationist and civil rights advocates last night inaugurat- ed the working sessions of a weekend conference on “The Second American Revolution.” The conference is being spon- sored by students of Bryn Mawr and Haverford Colleges. The advocate for segregation was James J. Kilpatrick, editor of The Richmond (Va.) News Leader and author of “The Southern Case for School Seg- regation.” James Farmer, na- tional director of the Congress of Racial Equality, expounded the case for integration. Approximately 1,000 students from 61 colleges and universi- ties packed Roberts Hall and the adjacent Union House of Haverford College to hear the discussion by Mr. Kilpatrick and Mr. Farmer. The overflow crowd followed the debate through a public address sys- tem in Union House. At the end of the debate, Mr. Kilpatrick said that he had pur- posely overstated his case for segregation in order to provoke the students into investigating both sides of the issue. Hissed Several Times His insistence that Negroes as a race were not equal to whites and that Negroes had made no significant contribu- tions to Western civilization was greeted several times by hisses, powever, the students applauded Mr. Kilpatrick sev- eral times, although they clear- ly refused to accept as authori- tative the studies prepared by Southern scholars to demon- strate the racial inferiority of Negroes. Mr. Kilpatrick said he be- lieved the integration movement would ultimately prevail. He said that the basic issue in the civil rights bill before Congress was the right of the individual to protect and dis- pose of his private property at will, a right Mr. Kilpatrick said constituted the foundation of American society. “If the civil rights movement wins, ask yourselves,” he said, “what you as Americans are going to lose.” This part of Kilpatrick’s pres- entation received a respectful hearing. The speaker was ap- plauded when he reported on the progress of desegregation in Richmond and when he said he favored admitting outstanding Negro students to the best schools available. Concern Over Tactics Mr. Farmer and other civil rights advocates who spoke last night and this morning were clearly on the defensive about the future of the civil rights movement, indicating deep con- cern about their tactics. The Rev. C. Tyndal Vivien, who represented the Rev. Fred L. Shuttlesworth of the South- ern Christian Leadership Con- ference at another panel dis- cussion last night, brought this concern into the open. He put forward the ideas of Bayard Rustin, who organized the march on Washington last sum- mer and the New York City school boycott last week. Mr. Rustin has warned that Negro organizations face the danger of declining into a pure- ly sectarian Negro movement and that if this happens they are doomed to failure. He con- tends that the current Negro civil rights movement can suc- ceed only if it is identified with reform movements embracing depressed and underprivileged white people. Mr. Vivien, in the discussion at Bryn Mawr’s Goodhart Hall, emphasized the need for the Negroes to win white allies, in- cluding the trade union move- ment. “The problem of allies,” he said, “is the single most im- portant problem facing the civil rights movement. The issues cannot be resolved solely within Negro terms.” Mr. Vivien urged that Ne- groes insist on good housing for all Americans, not just them- selves. Likewise, the problem of unemployment and automa- tion must not be discussed sole- ly in Negro terms, he said. “We must expand our base and get allies,” he said. “We must use our political influence to strengthen the liberals in the two political parties.” The Rustin-Vivien theme was picked up this morning by James Foreman, executive sec- retary of Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. He told the students that joining Negro integration movements in the South might be romantic, but that they could better in- vest their time by going into depressed white neighborhoods of Philadelphia and other cities to rally white people to the cause of reforming the coun- try’s economic and social struc- ture. Herbert Hill, labor secretary of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, warned of the social dangers that he said could arise should a permanently unem- ployed Negro population emerge because of automation. Unless this problem is solved, Negroes, in desperation, may abandon their legalistic approach and challenge the fundamental structure and values of Ameri- can society, he said.